Purposeful Social Selling

How Are You, Really with Jenna Kutcher Ep #113

Jun 27, 2022

You guys, do we have a treat for you?! On the podcast today, Kristen welcomes the host of the Goal Digger podcast, author, and the one helping us ask better questions, Jenna Kutcher. Jenna is here to talk with Kristen about her new book “How Are You, Really?” and how living life by her own rules is the real passion behind her purpose.

If you’ve jumped on the anti-hustle bandwagon along with Kristen, then Jenna’s message will resonate with you as well. Jenna’s built a phenomenal following all while staying true to her why and keeping the hustle monster at bay.

Here are a few highlights:

  • How feeling joy along your journey to success is not only needed but  necessary
  • Jenna’s explanation of why she feels most women are more afraid of success instead of failure
  • The importance of reassessing your feelings as you move forward toward your goal
  • The magic of surrender – how to maintain balance between business and personal life

“How Are You, Really?” is the guidebook to enjoy being alive— and not merely suffering through it. This is like the owner’s manual to owning a life rather than the other way around. Chocked full of soul-unlocking guidance to lead you forward in a way that moves closer to your heartbeat, your people, and the dang good life that awaits you. And it drops on June 28th! Preorder it at howareyoureallybook.com.

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Transcript for Episode #113 How Are You Really with Jenna Kutcher:

Kristen Boss (00:05):  Welcome to Purposeful Social Selling with Kristen Boss. I’m your host, Kristen Boss. I’m a mindset and business coach with more than 15 years experience in both the product and service based industry. I believe that social selling is the best business model for people wanting to make an impact while they make serious income. This is the podcast for the social seller, who is tired of feeling inauthentic in their business and desires to find a more purposeful and profitable way of growing their business in today’s social media landscape. In this podcast, you will learn what it takes to grow a sustainable business through impactful and social marketing. It’s time to ditch the hustle and lead from the heart. Let me show you the new way.

Kristen Boss (00:49):  Hey bosses. Welcome to another episode of the podcast this week. I’m so excited to share with you. I interviewed Jenna Kucher and had her as a guest on my show, and I will tell you, I fangirled and I had zero chill about it. No, I was totally chill. It was amazing to connect with her and hear about her new book that is releasing this week called how are you really? And knowing Jenna with her marketing podcast and all of her business accomplishments and her being a high achieving woman, you might think that she would’ve written a business book, but she didn’t. She wrote a book about purpose and intention. And you know, I’m all about that. In fact, when we both sat down and talked about our books, we talked about how similar our message and our heart was for people to work with joy in their life, because you know what? Life is short and how we move about in this life matters. So I know, and I hope you will enjoy this conversation I have with Jenna. You want to make sure to check out her book, you can check out where to purchase it in the show note section, otherwise enjoy the interview.

Kristen Boss (01:54):  Okay, Jenna, you’re here to talk about your new book. How are you really, and to be honest, how am I really with this interview with you? I’m so thrilled to be talking about this book that’s coming out and I’m more excited about this message. When I found out what it was about, I was like, get Jenna on this podcast yesterday and we need to talk about it.

Jenna Kutcher (02:16):  I’m so excited. We are! You and I are like two peas in a pod. So aligned. So this is going to be so good. And also you get it, like you get what this process is like, and being a first-timer in so many ways, it’s like, whoa, my, my deep level of respect for anyone who’s ever written anything is like bananas.

Kristen Boss (02:37):  Preach. And also you had a baby recently, so I’m like, you’re birthing like almost two back-to-back things. There’s birthing a book.

Jenna Kutcher (02:44):  I call Quinn and my book twins like essentially they’re twins. Yes.

Kristen Boss (02:49):  I know exactly what that is like.

Jenna Kutcher (02:51):  Oh, it’s wild.

Kristen Boss (02:54):  So let’s talk about it. I am so thrilled that what you are talking about in this book, I think some people might be surprised that yeah. You know, Jenna, Kucher, isn’t writing like a business, heavy marketing heavy book. Yeah. You took a different turn. So tell my listeners, like why you made that pivot and decided to talk about what you wrote about.

Jenna Kutcher (03:15):  Yeah. You know, it’s so funny to me because entrepreneurship to me is the answer, but it’s not the answer for everyone. And I had this huge realization that like, this is so beyond marketing or strategy or branding, this is about a life and like a lifestyle. And even beyond that, it’s like this philosophy of like waking up to your life and like being awake to your days and like moving through your days with this presence. And you know, it’s funny because I have the Goal Digger podcast. It’s the number one marketing podcast in the country. Everyone would assume I’d write a marketing book. I love marketing and strategy. But the reason why I love those things is it’s my vehicle to be able to live this sort of life. And I’ve met so many incredible humans in my life. And so many of them are not entrepreneurs yet.

Jenna Kutcher (04:01):  This whole philosophy is not just reserved for me or someone who starts a business or has a side hustle it’s for everyone. And so when I started writing, I started writing about business, because it’s what I know, it’s what I do. But through the process of the whole traditional publishing world, it was like, we basically just widen the lens and was like, you know, my editor and my agent, they were like, no, this book is for me. And like I work a traditional job. Like I need this message. I need to wake up to this. This is not just entrepreneurs. And so, you know, it was this really beautiful, like expansion through the process because my lens was really focused on the business world. And as we went through the process, it got wider and wider and I am so grateful for that. Now I’m so grateful. It’s not a business book. It’s so much more and it feels like a big shift for me personally, from an identity standpoint. That is really exciting for me as well.

Kristen Boss (04:56):  Yeah. Did you feel like your book evolved? Like you had an intention to sit down and write version one and then you started writing it. You’re like, no, we’re changing this up. It doesn’t feel right.

Jenna Kutcher (05:07):  It’s crazy because, so I’ve been an entrepreneur for a decade and I am like, I consider myself just an artist. Like I love creativity. I love creation. I love writing. I love all these things. And for years, and years and years, I was like, I’m never going to write a book. Like I was so clear. I was so sure of it. Like you could have, I mean, you could have asked me to like bet tons of money. And I would’ve been like, I’m never going to do this. And it’s really wild because, in the process of writing, I really had to protect like my creativity. And I’ve done this for long enough to know that like the traditional path doesn’t always work for me specifically. And so when I started writing, I did it in the privacy of my life. I did not tell anybody about it.

Jenna Kutcher (05:50):  I did not have an agent. I did not have a deal. I did not have a deadline. I did everything backwards, intentionally to protect like the art of it. So I was like, if I introduce deadlines and money into this project, it’s going to become work. And like, there is nothing that will make me stare at a blinking cursor harder than if I have a deadline or if I know I’m getting paid to write something. And like, for me, I was like, if I’m going to write a book, I want it to be words that tell and not words that sell, I don’t want to like be like told here is your book. Because every time I had been approached about this idea of a book and I’m so blessed to have had opportunities or invitations every single time someone was like, here’s what we want you to write about.

Jenna Kutcher (06:27):  And like right away, if you want to kill an artist’s creativity, tell them what to do. And so it was a really interesting process. So like when I think back to the manuscript, number one, it’s an entirely different thing than the final one. But my biggest lesson, Kristin, in this process was like giving your dreams time and space to breathe and expand and to change. And like in our digital world, it’s like, we can have an idea and put it out and get feedback and create and publish in one day and sometimes an hour. And so it was this beautiful reminder, just like pregnancy, like there’s this gestational period with a book. And my book came out a lot different than it was started.

Kristen Boss (07:10):  People can’t see me like nodding along, but I’m like Uh-huh. Yep. This was my process too.

Jenna Kutcher (07:14):  Oh. You know.

Kristen Boss (07:15):  And I just know for me too, it was the same. Like I just was, if I remember when my publisher came to me too, I was, I told him, I was like, I, if you asked me to write a strategy book or you tell me what to write, my soul will die. And I was like, you have to, it’s so important. You protect the voice and the creativity and speaking from the heart. So let’s talk about this heart message you have because I wouldn’t say it’s like not a business message. It’s a life message. It’s a heart message. Yeah. And when I read, when I was just reading a, a piece that you dropped for me before this podcast, you said it’s not about hustle harder. And my audience I’ve been talking to my audience about not getting caught up in the hustle, harder, move faster. The goal is to get from a point A to point B as quickly as possible, where we lose the joy. Yeah. And we lose our peace. And that’s part of your message of this book is

Jenna Kutcher (08:03):  Yeah.

Kristen Boss (08:04):  So talk a little bit about that.

Jenna Kutcher (08:06):  Yeah. You know, it’s so wild. Here’s a good example that I’m sure your audience can relate to. Like when I became a photographer, which was my first career outside of the nine to five, I thought that I would get to sit behind a camera all day and take pictures. Like that’s what I pictured. And the reality was that 98% of the time I was on my computer or editing or doing everything, but doing the thing that I love the most. And I think so much of our lives when we get so caught up in the hustle, it’s like, we’re doing, doing, doing, doing, and we’re never stopping to be like, am I doing the right things? Are the things that I’m doing bringing me joy? Am I coming alive? Am I awake to my day? Like what does this mean? And I remember when I first got my book deal and like started the formal process after manuscript number one was done.

Jenna Kutcher (08:49):  I remember asking my publisher. I was like, why me? Why this book, you know, like, why did you choose this? Why do you believe in? She said something to me that changed everything for me. And she said the world is so polarizing these days. It’s so black and white. And specifically for ambitious women, we are made to feel that we have to be in one of two camps. It’s either the hustle harder. Never say no, I will stay connected. Wake up earlier, stay up longer, work harder. Or the manifest, you just, you know, say into the universe, what you want for your life and it’ll come. And she said you live in the middle. You live where the woo meets the work. You have these really audacious, beautiful visions for your life, but you’re willing to do the work to work towards them like you want to become, but you’re always allowing yourself to be becoming.

Jenna Kutcher (09:36):  And like, I loved that because there needs to be more gray in our lives. And I love that because hustling is sometimes a requirement for getting something off the ground, but it should not be this approach to life. Hustling should not be your go-to. It shouldn’t be your autopilot. It, it can happen for a season or a time, but there has to be an end date. There has to be a finish line and same thing with manifesting. I think it’s beautiful to like speak your dreams into existence, but you also got to do the work to make those dreams happen. And so that’s like, what I’m so excited about is because we’re made to believe we have to choose one or the other. And I really think there’s some really beautiful stuff that happens in the middle.

Kristen Boss (10:16):  I love that so much. And you’re right. There is a time where we really have to put our nose to the ground and do the work and make things happen. But it’s when we make that our identity and who we are in the world. And we find our worth from that is when we get in, I would call it, we get caught in the toxic hustle, where more is better, faster is better. Your worth is by what you are putting out in the world and how quickly you are putting that out. And that is when we lose the joy. And I think a lot of people when they’re not feeling joyful, I think they start to tell themselves, oh, this is how it’s supposed to feel like this is just part of the grinding phase. I don’t have to have fun now I’ll have fun later. And then they’re not having joy at all in the journey, which is why I’m so glad you’re talking about this concept of like it’s yes. And it’s both. Yes. Like working hard with the joy. You can’t just like, you know, meditate and thought journal your way there. You still have to get in and do the hard, right?

Jenna Kutcher (11:10):  Yes. Yes. And it’s so funny too because when we think about it like I’m sure everybody listening to this has at one time or another set a goal and achieved it and thought to themselves, ah, this doesn’t feel like I thought it would. I thought this would feel different. And our tendency as humans is to think, well, maybe it wasn’t big enough. Maybe I just need more and that will feel better. But in reality, it’s like, if we pause long enough to assess this, doesn’t feel how I thought it would. Maybe it wasn’t the right goal in the first place. Or maybe I didn’t enjoy the journey, which takes 98% of the time. And the actual achievement is 2%. And you know, it’s funny because I often think about like GPS, like I need GPS. I can literally get nowhere without my phone telling me where to go.

Jenna Kutcher (11:54):  And it’s like, if you aren’t honest about where you’re starting, you’re not going to get to where you want to go. And if you want to get honest about that starting point to put it in the map, to like put your pin down and say, here’s where I am. And here’s where I want to go. Well, you’re not going to get in the right place. There’s this line in the book. That’s like, maybe it never worked for you because it didn’t come from you. Like maybe following someone else’s roadmap, isn’t going to work for you because you’re not starting where they started. And so it’s like the book is this like invitation to be like, here’s where I’m at here is like a level set. Here’s how I’m moving through today. Here’s what I’m saying. I want for my life. But like my day doesn’t line up with that. So here’s how we’re going to find that alignment.

Kristen Boss (12:34):  Yeah. I love that. You mentioned this concept of like this GPS and some people like it doesn’t feel joyful oftentimes because they’re borrowing someone else’s roadmap and that person had a completely different starting point. They might have different mileage between destination a and B. And so what happens is like they think their journey, my journey needs to look like yours. Yes. And it kind of becomes, they try to fit a square pagan round hole. They force it and it feels, and then we were dealing with all this resistance and then everything feels hard and heavy. And then again, they’re telling themselves, well, maybe this is just how it’s supposed to feel. And then later on, they’re like, okay, this, this ain’t fun. this is not fun anymore. Yes. Like you said, 2% is the accomplishment. If 98% is the journey. Yeah. We better find a way to have joy in it and peace in it and not getting so caught up in like, okay, this, this defines who I am. And that’s where I see a lot of people get discouraged and think, okay, maybe I’m just not cut out for this. Yes. Instead of like, maybe you just cut out the wrong roadmap and the wrong goal and you neglected like who you are in the process, which actually is part one of your book. Right. It’s who are you really? So like kind of walk my people through the journey of the book. I think you put it in three parts. Yes. Who are you really? And the first part that it kind of focuses on what?

Jenna Kutcher (13:51):  Yeah. So the book is in three sections. So the first one is who are you? Really? The second section is who you have and who has you? So like who’s on this journey with you. And the last part is, is what are you going to do about it? Like where the rubber meets the road, how are you actually going to progress? What does this look like? And so the first part is, is like coming back home to yourself, there’s no other way to say it, but it’s like, how do you get quiet enough with yourself to answer the question? Like, am I okay? And like, am I enjoying my life or am I faking it? And if I’m not where I thought I would be, why is that? And if this doesn’t feel good, how do I feel my feelings? But how do I start to move with them?

Jenna Kutcher (14:31):  Not past them, not move on from them, but move with them. And so it’s really like this, like compass reset. like let’s check where we’re at today and in a world where it’s like, we fill any ounce of margin with more scrolling or more noise. And we like tune out ourselves. It’s really this invitation to get quiet with yourself. The reason why I called the book, how are you really is it’s that difference in conversation that we move through so often where it’s like, how are you good, fine, busy to like being with someone you feel safe with someone who will hold your answer. And you know, you can be honest with when they lean in and say, okay, like cut the crap. Like, how are you really? And it’s really this invitation to ask yourself that, but to also start to really trust your knowing again, like I think that somewhere in our lives we’ve been told that we shouldn’t trust our gut. Right? Like, have you ever talked to someone? And they’re like in like just a crap part of their life and you’re like, oh, did you have any, like, were there any signs, did you feel anything? And like 99.9% of the time someone will be like, yep. I knew. And I kept doing it anyways. We’re doing our lives this way so often. And so it’s like that invitation to like start turning the volume up on your knowing and start trusting yourself again, which I think is just going to change everything.

Kristen Boss (15:51):  I love that. You’re talking about this idea, this concept really it’s about learning to hold space for ourselves. Yeah. And like, not judging what comes up, but when we’re so busy specifically, I mean, it’s everybody, we all, we, we all are in a place where we have very little margin in our lives, because it’s so easy to get caught scrolling and Amazon shopping. And like what, what we’re doing is we’re buffering from being with ourselves and asking ourselves, like you said, the hard questions. And sometimes the hard question is how are you really? And being brave enough to say maybe not great today. Yes. And being willing to feel those feelings. Yeah. And I have told my students for a really long time, like the key to growth is being willing to feel hard feelings, being willing to feel like disappointment and discomfort and sadness and like being willing to hold that space, explore it for ourselves and then, okay. And then what are we going to do? And I, yeah. Am so glad you’re talking about that because we’re lacking that. I really think we’re missing that in particularly in the go go what’s next world, right?

Jenna Kutcher (16:53):  Yes. A hundred percent. I mean I have a three and a half year old and I feel like she’s my greatest teacher. When it comes to feeling she’s a deep feeler, like this child is very, she just feels so deeply. And it’s funny because it’s made me realize like for so many of us, like we’ve been taught that like happiness is the destination. Like every day just strive to be happy. Just get to happiness. If you’re sad, get to happy. If you’re scared, get to happy. Just like whatever you have to do, move towards happiness and it’s kind of like that toxic positivity in the sense of like, you can’t just think your way to happiness. And if you keep bottling up the way you’re feeling, it’s going to explode. At some point we’ve all seen it. We’ve all done it. We’ve all experienced it.

Jenna Kutcher (17:34):  And with my toddler, even this morning, she’s just having like a hard time and it’s like, I’m going to sit right here and your big feelings don’t scare me. I’m not going anywhere. I’m not afraid. You can feel everything you want to feel. It’s okay. If you don’t like me in the process, I love you. And it’s like, why don’t we do this for ourselves? Right? Like it’s made to sit here because here’s the thing is like so many adults right now are like unearthing trauma that they never processed. Like so many people are spending hundreds of dollars doing the necessary therapy to actually feel these feelings that they suppressed, that they moved through too quickly that they ignored. And there’s a part in the book where it’s like, it’s basically like we’re receiving all of these like notifications. And it’s like, when you’re on your phone and it says like, did not send or like whatever.

Jenna Kutcher (18:21):  And you’re like just hitting the button. It’s like our bodies and our lives. And the people who love us are like trying to get through to us. And it’s like, we’re not even available because we’re not able to feel our feelings. If you want to have a life that’s impactful. Like if you truly do want to leave a legacy, you’re going to have to face discomfort and fear and insecurity and you’re going to have to do all these things and you’re going to have to feel them so that they’re not scary anymore. It’s like the monster under the bed. Yeah. When you flip the light switch on and realize it was just a shadow, it’s not scary, but like we’re scared to even turn the light on. Right.

Kristen Boss (18:57):  Yeah. And honestly, I think most people were more afraid of the idea of experiencing the feeling, then feeling the feeling it’s a hundred percent. Like, it’s just the concept of like, I’m terrified of feeling disappointed. I’m like, but what does disappointment actually feel like? Okay. It feels like heaviness in your chest. It feels like a little bit like heartache, like heartbreak, but you’ve survived all of your heartbreak before now. Like, oh really? Oh I did. I have. But it’s like, but we’re so we’re so afraid to experience the emotion. And that’s why people won’t go for big things because they’re afraid of like, okay, what if I go all in and it all falls apart and we’re like, okay. And you’re going to learn to feel disappointed and realize it’s not, it doesn’t kill me. yeah. Although it does feel fatal in the moment, our brain is not wired to be like, you know what sounds great is a keeping dose of discomfort today.

Jenna Kutcher (19:46):  Yeah, right. But it’s, it’s a requirement to like live a full life. It’s like, you know, it’s so funny because I honestly think more women are afraid of success than they are a failure. Like there is this like really like, deep-seated fear of like, if I am successful, it’s a further way to fall. If I fail publicly, it’s worse than never trying. Like there’s so many things that like we hold to that are these like weird fears that like, just play on, repeat in our heads that hold us back from like even trying. And I think it’s such a sad world when we just stop trying. And so, you know, it’s, it’s really interesting because it’s like watching young kids, it’s like, oh, if they fall down, when they’re learning how to walk, they don’t just say, well, I guess I’m not supposed to walk and give up.

Jenna Kutcher (20:33):  It’s like, how do we as adults kind of harness some of that like childlike confidence and like that childlike belief and that childlike intuition and that knowing because you know, oftentimes as leaders they’ll say like, oh, if you could go back and talk to your 10 year old self, what would you tell them? And I’m like, actually, if I could be my 10 year old self, what would my 10 year old self say to me? Yeah. What would they be sad to know that I no longer do? What would they be sad to know that I let fall apart from my identity? Like, I feel like I could learn more from my 10 year old self than my 10 year old self could learn from me right now.

Kristen Boss (21:07):  Oh man. That is so good. And I love that. And it’s so true. And I, I think this concept is kind of like you were saying about, you know, a kid is who’s learning to walk and they fall, you know, they get back up and they keep going. But the reason why, you know, we grow up and we come to fear. Falling is not, I actually don’t even think it’s falling itself. It’s what we make falling mean about ourselves as a person being like, I knew I wasn’t cut out for this. I knew I’d never amount, anything. See, this is just an example of why I don’t have what it takes. So we weapon weaponize our failures against us because we’re finding our identity and what we do instead of like, no, I’m just somebody who’s learning a new skill and failure is part of the requirement, but we make, we make it personal and we make it personal. We feared a lot more and that’s why people aren’t going out there and doing big, extraordinary things. And I think that’s why children have that amazing innocence and why they’re so brave is because they’re not making falling off a rock or trying something new, mean like I’m a bad human and mommy won’t love me. And I don’t love me. They don’t have that conversation with themselves.

Jenna Kutcher (22:08):  Yes.

Kristen Boss (22:09):  Like they’re super resilient and we have to learn that too.

Jenna Kutcher (22:11):  Right? Yeah.

Kristen Boss (22:12):  Speaking of kids and motherhood, I’m just, you know, you’ve been, you’ve been an entrepreneur for a long time, like 10 years. And I, it’s funny, I scrolled back. I remember at one point when I’ve been following you for a long time and I scrolled back to the very beginning of your Instagram and it was a picture of a dog. And I was just like, you know, if Jenna can post pictures of her dog, I can start too. It’s fine.

Jenna Kutcher (22:31):  Hundred percent. I never deleted anything. Cause I’m like, this is what transformation looks like, people.

Kristen Boss (22:37):  Yes, yes. I kept the same for mine too. I’m like scroll way back and have a heyday.

Jenna Kutcher (22:42):  Just know we all start somewhere. Yes. But this concept of like, so you’ve been doing this for a while. You saw a lot of success before you became a mom and now you are a mom of two children and you’re with your husband and marriage and all those things. So like what do you feel like the learning curve for you was like bringing babies in and like motherhood with all this success being high, achieving, being a busy, busy person. Yeah. Like what has the biggest lesson there been for you?

Jenna Kutcher (23:12):  Surrender.

Kristen Boss (23:13):  Ah. Tell me more.

Jenna Kutcher (23:13):  You know, it’s really interesting because in the book I kind of share more about our journey, but like for a long time, I never thought I wanted kids. And really like, my business was my baby. And then all of a sudden we like flipped the script. And after many years of trying to avoid getting pregnant, we started to try to get pregnant, which is just such a mind game in and of itself. And at the time I was a wedding photographer and we experienced two losses and I recognized that while I had built an incredibly successful business, my business required me to show up, to get paid. And I had this huge revelation. We had found out that we had lost our second pregnancy and I had to show up and shoot a wedding the next day. And I was like, I have built something that doesn’t allow me to be a human.

Jenna Kutcher (23:58):  Like, it I’m like a machine that like just has to work. And I vowed at that point, like I’m never going to build something again that doesn’t allow me to rest. That doesn’t like work while I rest. And when I look back at our journey, like loss was such a massive teacher for us, but also like motherhood is just a great process of surrender in every aspect you, you know, as entrepreneurs and achievers, there’s so many things in our lives where we are control freaked, right? Like we are like white knuckling, our way through everything. There’s something we want to achieve. We’ll figure it out. But like motherhood, like you can’t just figure it out. Like you can’t make a pregnancy happen or a pregnancy stay. And like, it was just this like huge release of like, my hands are gripped. So tightly I’m white knuckling my way through everything.

Jenna Kutcher (24:46):  Like what would look like if I just loosened the grip a little bit. If I just learned how to trust, if I just did what I could to control what I can and let go of the rest. And I feel like that’s motherhood, that’s like your soul living outside of your body with your children. You can’t control who they are or who they become or how they move through life. But that’s like the beauty of it, it’s this like massive gift of surrendering that you have to give yourself and also your children. And for me, it’s really interesting because I do believe that you can have it all. You can have both, but like you have to decide what it all is in your life. And we’ve like subscribed to this like ideal of balance. But like, if you actually look at the definition of balance, balance is a moment in time.

Jenna Kutcher (25:29):  It’s not something meant to be maintained. And like, it’s something that we’re constantly striving for, which is leaving us feeling like we can never do it. All right. Yes. Like it’s like when I’m working, I’m thinking about my kids when I’m with my kids and I’m thinking about work and like we’re half in on everything. And so for me, it’s like the goal is like presence and blend. Like how do I figure out a way to like blend all of the parts of my life that I love into one thing? Like how do I figure out how to move through life with this presence so that when I’m working, I’m all in and when I’m with my kids, I’m all in. So that I’m not finishing my day feeling like I was just half there for my life. So it’s been interesting, but so much surrender required. Loss has been just a massive teacher in my life. I don’t think you’re meant to come out of loss, the same person you were that entered. And then just figuring out like, how do I blend and how do I build something that allows me to show up in each aspect of my life in a way that feels impactful, but that is also present.

Kristen Boss (26:25):  Yeah. And I love that. And when we learn, honestly, when we learn how to be present and be intentional and honestly be really protective with our time and protective with our boundaries, like I saw your out of office emails, like Jenna. Yes, yes, girl. Like, I was just, you know, I’m a mom of a five and six year old too. I have a huge company and I’m just like, I get it. And when I saw another woman protecting her time, protecting her boundaries, I was like, this, this is it. This is why presence is so important. And honestly, when, when we know how to be intentional and present in all areas of our lives, I believe it eradicates a lot of unnecessary mom guilt. Because for me, honestly, when I’m in my business, I don’t suffer from mom guilt because I’m so intentional when I’m with my children and I’m all in with them.

Kristen Boss (27:09):  And I don’t suffer business guilt when I’m with my children. Yes. But it is like you were saying, like, it is a balancing act. It is defining well, what is having it all look like to you because it looks different to each person and you deciding like my Haveit all looks different than your Haveit all. But with my Haveit all, I’m being intentional and there is this beautiful blend and balance and presence. And I really think that is a true key to, you know, having peace in the journey and joy in the journey, which is what your book is about. So I’m so excited for my people to get their hands on your book because I don’t promote everybody’s book. And for me, like when I thought about your book and the message, I’m like, yes, I want my audience to read this. It’s just one more voice from one more really impactful woman in the world of reminding us what matters even. Yeah. And from a very, like a very successful woman, that’s able to have a very grounded message of like presence matters and how are you really? And this is what it looks like to work with purpose and intentions. So I love it. My people are going to love it. It’s in stores, June 28th. I’m so excited for you, Jenna. They could pre-order today, but I’m just huge congratulations to you because I know birthing a book. It ain’t.

Jenna Kutcher (28:19):  It’s a lot. It’s a lot! Oh, well, if people love you, then they’re going to love this because it’s so aligned. And I just think it’s beautiful that we’re sharing these messages now because I think a lot of people miss it. And if you think about people at the end of their life, all they want is more time. It’s like we’ve got time. So how are we going to spend it? Like time is life. Time is our currency. And I’m so excited. Like I don’t know. It feels like, yeah, it feels like another baby where I’m like welcome to the world, little one.

Kristen Boss (28:50):  So excited for you, Jenna. Thank you so much for coming on today and sharing with my people.

Jenna Kutcher (28:53):  Thank you. This was such a treat and I just admire you and the work you do and the way you show up. So thank you for having me and thank you for sticking true to your mission and the message as well. It means a lot.

Kristen Boss (29:06):  Thank you so much, Jenna.

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